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Do you use songs for teaching math memorization?

Moms View Message Board: General Discussion: Archive October 2006: Do you use songs for teaching math memorization?

By Dana on Saturday, October 7, 2006 - 07:06 pm:

I am working w/ DD on learning addition by knowing, not counting. Do you use a song from an album?

I am also wanting to go ahead and do multiplication as well.

She's 8. Was in 3rd grade but in 2nd now. Bright enough to learn the multiplication thru memorization. She already knows several.


By Mrsheidi on Saturday, October 7, 2006 - 08:24 pm:

I use a method using imaginary dots on the numbers. It helps them add without using fingers and, be patient, they'll eventually have them memorized. Does her teacher time her tests? Is this why?

I'd be interested in other responses...I've never heard of any songs about math in that sense.

By Reds9298 on Saturday, October 7, 2006 - 08:34 pm:

I think I have a Dr.Jean CD with an addition facts song on it. I'll have to check on it tomorrow for you though! :)

Heidi- Are you talking about Touch Math? Jsut curious.

By Mrsheidi on Saturday, October 7, 2006 - 09:10 pm:

Yup! Here's the website

Touch Math

By Tripletmom on Saturday, October 7, 2006 - 09:29 pm:

I'm very interested in this.My DD is doing all her adding and subraction in her head.She refuses to use her fingers or scrap paper.It takes her awhile but she does well.I've been giving her 10 questions a night to help her and hoping she'd visualize the numbers better.What a great idea I'd never heard of this system.Thx :)

By Tink on Saturday, October 7, 2006 - 09:45 pm:

One note of caution:Touch Math is really going out of style here. Many kids are having a tough time transferring the idea of touching the numbers to simply being able to pull the facts out of their heads, once they get old enough to be doing timed fact tests and moving up to higher levels of math in 4th+ grade levels. My dd learned her addition and subtraction facts this way and had no trouble with memorization but if you want them to just know the facts quickly, after they've learned the concept behind the problem, Touch Math probably isn't the way to go.

By Marcia on Saturday, October 7, 2006 - 11:18 pm:

My youngest daughter is an auditory learner, so I bought every math cd I could find. I know it's the only way she's going to learn them. They're fun, too.
I've also done math with a program that uses short stories and rhyming words to teach multiplication, and my girls picked it up quickly. For example, 4x4=16 is door x door = sick queen. The story is about a queen who discovers 2 revolving doors, and she spins around in them until she feels sick. As soon as they hear the equation they think of the story. This is the program...

By Pamt on Saturday, October 7, 2006 - 11:38 pm:

By Reds9298 on Sunday, October 8, 2006 - 07:24 am:

Similar response as Tink. They ditched Touch Math here about 10 years ago. I never got to teach it because it was before my time, but there were mixed feelings about it from the teachers I knew that did teach it. Some really liked it and others said it wasn't good conceptually. Just my experiences, but like I said, I haven't taught it.

Having said that, what doesn't work well for one child may work wonders for another! :)

By Kaye on Sunday, October 8, 2006 - 08:35 am:

Touch math also went by the wayside here...except with the special needs kids, our resource teacher teaches touch math to those who are struggling with the concept.

By Trina~moderator on Sunday, October 8, 2006 - 03:50 pm:

I have no personal experience with their addition/subtraction CD, but the Multiplication Rap CD is great!

By Marcia on Sunday, October 8, 2006 - 04:06 pm:

That site's great, Trina! Other than the fact that the money won't work for us, everything looks great. I might be ordering from them in the near future.

By Mrsheidi on Sunday, October 8, 2006 - 10:12 pm:

The touch math works a lot for kids who are kinesthetic or visual learners. Kids who are auditory learners would best fit with the songs, etc. It's the closest thing to having a manipulative when you are just given a pencil and paper to work with.

It just depends on the type of kid. But, usually, when I tutor...the kids who struggle are kinesthetic learners and that's why they have such a hard time with math. Math can be very conceptual and "verbal", if you will. Especially in public schools where class size is so large.

That's why I like the Montessori method of teaching math. They use a lot of manipulatives and not just rote memory of multiplication facts. The kids actually understand the concept and develop meaning behind the math.

I seem to have an opinion about everything, I know.... :)

By Reds9298 on Monday, October 9, 2006 - 08:03 am:

Have you ever done Math Their Way? It is the absolute best math method I've ever seen for young children!!! It's the best method also for the upper elementary as well, but unfortunately, most schools don't think upper elem. should be using manipulatives when they most definitely should be! Math Their Way is completely conceptual and extremely hands-on. It's been around since the early 70's (if I remember correctly) and the founder is deceased, but her family continues the promotion of Math Their Way.

By Trina~moderator on Monday, October 9, 2006 - 08:09 am:

Deanna, I was also going to mention Math Their Way. I took the course and used it when I was teaching. Very hands on and FUN!!

By Mrsheidi on Monday, October 9, 2006 - 09:36 pm:

Hhhhmmmm....I haven't! Gosh, teaching high school math has totally fogged me out of all this fun stuff! I'll check it out! :)

By Mia on Monday, October 9, 2006 - 11:19 pm:

Thanks, I'm going to check everything out too. I was just looking for something fun to help my 3rd grader get the additions and substractions memorized better (he's having trouble completing the 100 questions in 5min), and then today I found out they're already starting on multipication - all the way through 12's by Christmas. Yikes. And I think I need some helpful reminders myself!

By Kaye on Monday, October 9, 2006 - 11:46 pm:

When I taught i too used math their way! Loved it. I spent very long hours making all those manipulatives. I passed them down to another teacher friend when i "retired".

By Reds9298 on Tuesday, October 10, 2006 - 09:24 am:

Wasn't the prep for MTW fun??? I loved making all my manip. and they're safely stored in my attic for when I go back. I think MTW is so great, I can't say enough good things about it. I also took the course, and extended it to the class in order to renew my license. It was really fun, and I personally think ALL elem. teachers should have to take it.

By Dana on Wednesday, October 11, 2006 - 09:21 am:

Thanks everyone for all the great ideas. I've been busy the last couple days and even forgot I posted this LOL. I know I won't be looking at it later today, but hopefully by the end of the week. Hmmm, I think I better mark this on my "to do" list so I don't forget I want to do this.

By Kaye on Wednesday, October 11, 2006 - 03:14 pm:

The prep stuff was fun, I did it with a group of teachers (about 10 of us). So we each just made tons and tons of a certain item. Because most of them were beans, they ended up attracting mice to my attic. I won't ever store anything like that again!

By Reds9298 on Wednesday, October 11, 2006 - 08:11 pm:

Oh Gosh Kaye!! I haven't had any problems, but mice are a major issue here since we live among corn fields, so we are poisoning them about every 3 months or so. We've been doing it for so long now that I think they just stay away. They were terrible when we first moved in. Were they in cardboard boxes? Everything in our attic is in a plastic tote, and I mean everything!! :) We've never seen so much as a dropping since we're the king and queen of the mouse killers! LOL

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