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WAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY LATEEEEEEE on the

Moms View Message Board: The Kitchen Table (Debating Board): WAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY LATEEEEEEE on the
By Terri4him on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 09:00 pm:

Partial abortion debate...

Let me sum up my feelings with this...
I saw this picture one time..of a man on his knees asking God... "Why haven't you given us someone who can give us the cure to cancer?"....

God's reply "I did but you aborted him"......

God is God...He is the truth the light and the way....He is the decider...The time may not be right for us..but it's right for Him...

Why abortion or partial-abortion is legal and allowed..I will never know..it's just one of those question that I have to ask when I am face to face with my Heavenly father...but know..each and everyone of those babies..are the Lord's creation and they are home with Him...

I do not agree with abortion...and never will...but I love those who have had abortions...I just despise the act...We are all human and in the end God will be the one to passt he judgement..not me..not you..not anyone...

Blessings..
TERRI

By Barbie on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 11:16 pm:

Amen Terri, God gives life and he gives it for a purpose. I think about who you maybe aborting, it could be the person chosen to lead thousands to Christ,the next Billy Gragham, a future President, a brillent Dr. that could save million of lives. Only God makes those decisions. We need to learn to trust him in all situations.

By Mineral on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 06:01 pm:

I am a young mother and I once helped a friend in highschool through the horribly difficult time in her life when she had an abortion. Sixteen, not employed, astranged from the father, I had to agree that a child brought into their world would not have been a healthy happy baby. Granted someone somewhere may have been waiting for just that child to adopt but there are already so many children in the "system" already that deserve homes...I'm not saying that abortion is the answer, I'm just saying I can agree in certain cases. If my daughter were ever raped, or if I knew that my unborn child didn't have a chance...things like that. When I hear about cases of abuse like the 2 year old in Midwest Iowa that was sodomized with a broom handle and beaten to death, I think, was she better off being born. I once heard that souls are sent to earth to learn a lesson and once the lesson is learned they can return to heaven. Perhaps the lesson they are learning is how hard it is to decide to abort a baby.

By Ginnyk on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 07:46 pm:

My problem with many (not all) people who are anti-abortion is that they tend to treat the mother as a live baby carriage - that is, the mother's life doesn't matter at all as long as the baby is carried to term and born - and many anti-abortion groups and individuals don't do very much to help women who have carried to term and given birth.

One example comes to mind - some states have made it a felony for a woman to use drugs while she is pregnant - and many of these same states have cut way back on funds for residential programs for the treatment of drug abuse. Result - many pregnant women who are drug abusers don't seek medical attention at all during their pregnancies, for themselves or the unborn child, and if they do they are often taken to court and yet are offered no assistance in kicking their habit - at least long enough to give birth to a potentially healthier baby. Nor does our society have any reasonable system to help women with children and without husbands (or women with children and husbands who are working in low-income jobs or unemployed). Addressing the issues of poverty, even as it affects children, is not a particularly high priority in our society, and poverty is often seen as the result of choices made by the person who is poor, even when the poor person is a child.

I think abortion is a terrible thing, and I think it is a woman's choice. I believe that every time a woman seeks abortion it is because of a failure - failure of birth control, failure of adequate teaching at home and in schools so that she is not vulnerable to the first smooth talker that comes along, failure of our society for not having programs that will support women through their pregnancies so that a pregnancy is not the end of her future (as it most often is), and, most tragically, failure of our system to stop child abuse so that girls of 9, 10, 11, and 12 are not impregnated by an abuser (and then, according to those against abortion) expected to spend the next several months carrying the pregnancy to term, never mind what it does to her life.

I don't think of abortion as a way to prevent child abuse, as Mineral refers to above. I don't know that there are any significant studies relating the two. But there are a multitude of studies that relate single mothers to poverty, and women who live in poverty are more likely to fall victim to men who will abuse both them and their children, to live in areas where there is a greater risk of child abuse because they are poor, and so on.

I do understand and appreciate the views of those who are opposed to abortion - if you believe that life begins at conception then you must be opposed to abortion. I don't think that life, as I understand it, begins at conception - and I value the existing life of the woman over the potential life of the fetus/conceptus/unborn child. I will always remember my father telling me that when I was born he was told at one point by the doctors that he might have to choose between the life of his wife or his child. My dad's response was - that's easy, save my wife. Even though I was the child, I believe that his was the only right and correct choice, and the only choice a loving husband could make. I would have had a lot less respect for my father if he had chosen to put his wife's life at risk for the sake of the child, even though the child was me.

By Mommyathome on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 08:41 pm:

Terri.....I love that picture that you mentioned. That really shows what abortion does.


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