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Who will you vote for?

Moms View Message Board: The Kitchen Table (Debating Board): Who will you vote for?
By Boxzgrl on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 09:57 pm:

I'll do this anonymously (sp?) so we all have the pleasure of posting anonymous but i'm just curious as to who you will vote for following the Presidential Debate? You can discuss why etc.... but make sure you put who your voting for first.

Me...... Bush!

I'm gonna finish watching the debate before I state my reasons.

By Boxzgrl on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 10:17 pm:

Oooopppps... forgot to push anon. But I dont mind that you all know who I vote for because i'm proud of my choice but use anon as you'd like in here, I dont mind. :)

By Audreyj on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 10:30 pm:

George W. Bush, but I think he lost the first debate.

My DH and I both are W. people though.


AJ

By Boxzgrl on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 10:33 pm:

I think for those undecided he may have lost the first debate but who knows whats to come. We all know hes not the greatest at speeches but I want someone to give action, not to give a good speech.

BTW- Kerry makes me crack up at anything he mentions that includes Vietnam! LOL! What a creep!

By Juli4 on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 10:53 pm:

Bush!!!!!

By Cat on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 10:57 pm:

Can't go anon on the kitchen table board. :)

I'll be voting for Bush.

By Boxzgrl on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 10:59 pm:

Thats okay not going anon, I guess those who dont want to share dont have to. :)

By Boxzgrl on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 11:00 pm:

That's 100% for Bush so faR! :)

By Emily7 on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 11:10 pm:

I am still leaning towards Kerry, but haven't made a for sure decision. I think that Bush is a very nice person, & I loved the interview he & Mrs Bush did with Dr. Phil.
I just think some things could have been handled better in this administration...the war on terror being one of them.
I will be looking forward to future debates. Unfortunately I was unable to watch a large portion of this one. THe kids were being very demanding tonight.:)

By Cocoabutter on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 11:18 pm:

BUSH!

By Theresa_Momma on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 12:09 am:

Kerry

By Colette on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 05:38 am:

I don't like either one of them and last nights debate didn't change my mind.

By Juli4 on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 08:34 am:

I can't wait to see the town hall debate. That will be interesting. You will get to see more of them. YOu can observe body language adn such. It is next Friday.

By Vicki on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 09:26 am:

Bush!

I wasn't impressed with either of them to be honest last night. I got tired of BOTH of them repeating things SEVERAL times. I will also admit that Kerry did much better last night than I thought he would, he was very well rehearsed. I think that the town hall debate will be better to see what each one of them is like. And I also think that Bush will win that one hands down. He is very relaxed and at ease and he knows what he stands for and that never waivers. He will do great in a town hall setting.

By Palmbchprincess on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 10:07 am:

Kerry!
I can't disagree with Melissa about him mentioning Vietnam frequently, but all said, I think he is the better candidate. I'm a proud supporter, and I think Bush presented a pathetic debate last night.

By Kay on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 10:23 am:

Bush

By Juli4 on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 10:31 am:

I thought it was interesting that both of them thought that weapons of mass destruction in the hands of terrorists was the biggest threat and then at other times dem. (not sure if kerry has said so or not) say that there are none. And that Kerry thought it was wrong to go to war but he will "hunt down the terrorists and kill them". And then he want to have bilateral talks with N. Korea and then criticizes Bush because he thinks that he doesn't have enough international support. Those are some inconsistencies right that I noticed and I agree with Bush that you can't have a president that is like that. We do have international support and kerry is criticizing Bush for things that a year ago he agreed with and now he doesn't. Oh and he said the troops didn't have enough or the right equipment, but then he voted against funding to give them. Oh and he said that 200 billion was too much money and such, well we've only spent 100 billion of it. It is a lot of money, but there is no dollar amount to win this war. I think that we are safer and other countries will know we mean business and Bush is using diplomatic efforts to deal with the other countries that pose a threat and it seems to be going pretty good. Things take time and Kerry promises to do all these things in four years. I don't think so. Moving that quickly will leave a lot of things undone and it is not in our best interest or our futures to leave things half done.

By Kernkate on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 10:33 am:

Kerry

By Mommyathome on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 11:31 am:

Kerry

Bush totally blew the debate last night IMO. He seems so uneducated as he presents his points.

I do agree that Kerry talked way too much about how he "served the country" back in the day. But, I guess he's proud of it.

By Sunny on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 11:42 am:

Kerry

By Mommyathome on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 12:09 pm:

I pulled this from a different message board. When I read it I thought....I couldn't have said it better myself.****

*(referring to Kerry)*

"I think he was Presidential.

He was respectful and calm when Bush was speaking. He didn't roll his eyes, smirk, or try to interject before Bush stopped speaking, as Bush did.

He answered the questions without reverting to the same catch phrases over and over. Bush had some good moments, but for the most part seemed unsure of himself, defensive, and arrogant.

He didn't stumble over his words (WHAT was up with the comment about it being "hard work to love her" when talking about the widow???). Typically, someone who stumbles over his words is not confident in his message. My husband, who has been through FBI interrogation training (yep!) said that he seemed like Bush had no clue what he was talking about for a great portion of the time.

I thought one of Kerry's most powerful statements was that about separating the war from the warriors.

Kerry is a good speaker, confident, and I agree with his policies.

Bush is not confident in his debate, arrogant, sometimes rude, and I don't agree with his policies.

Those are my views on who I'm voting for and why."

By Andi on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 12:23 pm:

KERRY!!!!

I wasn't sure who I was going to vote for before the debate last night because I didn't know where Kerry stood when it came to the War, but after watching everything last night I am voting for Kerry.
(I must say I think Barbara Bush makes a much better First Lady than Kerry's wife but that's not what we are discussing:).)

I agree with Robin I think Bush blew it last night and did an awful job. He seemed very nervous and there is just something about him I don't trust.

By Boxzgrl on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 01:17 pm:

So far that's:

7 for Kerry
7 for Bush
2 undecided/other

By Tonya on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 01:49 pm:

Kerry if Bush stays in the world will be in total lose.

By Gammiejoan on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 02:01 pm:

Kerry! Last night's debate made me even more certain about my choice. Kerry's views reflect mine so much better than Bush's. I found Kerry to be very poised, confident, and "presidential."

By Dawnk777 on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 02:46 pm:

Kerry

By Palmbchprincess on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 03:18 pm:

Andi,
I told Nate last night I thought Theresa Heinz-Kerry needs a makeover. Laura is much more elegant in her appearance. Theresa looked a bit unkempt for our next first lady *EG* Seriously though, she's 65... I didn't realize she was that old.

By Boxzgrl on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 03:18 pm:

10 Kerry
7 Bush
2 undecided/other


... Kerry did seem confident but the confidence I saw in him looks like it will get in the way of "reality"... actually, no I won't call it confidence, its more arrogance than anything. He can say a lot but I dont see action coming from him anytime soon, and it would be *only* by the grace of God if he pulled the troops out of Iraq in 6 months. Its just impossible!

And what about this "plan" he keeps talking about, I wonder why he won't go into that plan thoroughly? Maybe because America wont like it?

By Andi on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 05:02 pm:

I would rather have a Confident even arrogant President rather than Bush who had to think way to hard about all his answers. He's the President of the United States for goodness sakes. You would think he would have been better prepared.

By Emily7 on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 05:28 pm:

The little bit of it that I saw, he almost acted like he was nervous.
I don't know how he can be in charge & act like he has never spoken in public before. I am kind of concerned as to how other countries see him.

By Juli4 on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 05:45 pm:

what was up with Kerry's lipstick? Did anyone else notice that?

Kerry is a lawyer. He is trained for debating. They are trained to be eloquent one way or another. They will say ok argue for the war you have 3 minutes, then say ok now argue against the war and they are required to be just as eloquent either way. Bush was more interested in core values and beliefs. If you look at style and showmanship then Kerry won, but if you look at content kerry can't explain himself out of a wet paper bag. He flipflopped all over the place as I stated in my earlier post. Why Bush didn't call him out on it I have no clue, but maybee we will see another side in the town meeting debate. That will be very interesting.

By Andi on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 05:56 pm:

This is interesting:
http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=271

By Emily7 on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 07:16 pm:

Andi...
That was very interesting. I guess Kerry is not the only one that changes his mind.

By Annie2 on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 08:50 pm:

BUSH

By Amy~moderator on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 08:56 pm:

Bush

By Claire on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 09:52 pm:

KERRY / EDWARDS without a doubt.

By Debbie on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 10:16 pm:

Bush

By Boxzgrl on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 10:26 pm:

11 Kerry
10 Bush
2 undecided/other

By Imamommyx4 on Friday, October 1, 2004 - 11:24 pm:

Bush!

By Pamt on Saturday, October 2, 2004 - 12:50 am:

Bush

By Tink on Saturday, October 2, 2004 - 01:02 am:

Kerry

By Unschoolmom on Saturday, October 2, 2004 - 07:41 am:

If I were American I'd vote Kerry. Does that count? :)

By Kolbysmom on Saturday, October 2, 2004 - 08:05 am:

Bush

By Karen~moderator on Saturday, October 2, 2004 - 09:00 am:

Kerry here..........I'm not totally happy with him, but I'm less happy with Bush.

By Jtsmom on Saturday, October 2, 2004 - 09:02 am:

Bush 100%!!

By Boxzgrl on Saturday, October 2, 2004 - 09:35 am:

14 Kerry
14 Bush
2 undecided/other

By Conni on Saturday, October 2, 2004 - 02:29 pm:

Bush

By Kaye on Saturday, October 2, 2004 - 03:58 pm:

Bush (probably..lol)

By Insaneusmcwife on Saturday, October 2, 2004 - 06:33 pm:

grrrr! I just wanna live on another planet! I don't want to vote for either one of them but I Will be voting for BUSH!

By Claire on Saturday, October 2, 2004 - 07:39 pm:

Please Watch

By Kaye on Saturday, October 2, 2004 - 08:08 pm:

The above clip is a well done anti war song with some great pictures. But it certainly doesn't change my mind on who i am going to vote for. Even Kerry said during the debate, although he voted for the war, he disagreed with the strategy, and now thinks we were wrong in going, BUT we are there and we have to stay to win. Bush outright asked him, what kind of message will you be sending to the troops and he said "now they have to be supported, we will send more money, more weapons, more bullet proof stuff." So I guess my point is, whether or not you agree with the war, we are there, we will be there and your vote will not change that, it will change our tactic, and the money spent (which will probably be more).

By Kate on Saturday, October 2, 2004 - 08:09 pm:

Bush isn't FOR war and death, Claire. He's for freedom and peace and unfortunately war is sometimes (ironically) the way to that.

By Claire on Saturday, October 2, 2004 - 09:22 pm:

ROFL Kate you just don't get it.

By Kaseys on Sunday, October 3, 2004 - 12:38 am:

Bush!!

By Boxzgrl on Sunday, October 3, 2004 - 11:47 am:

Looks like some s o b story that a protestor made up! Well boo freakin' hoo, if you're going to protest violently, deal with your actions. And as far as being "anti-american", they give theirselves the name, I never once heard of them being called anti-american, I just believe they dont support our troops, i.e., my DH! And i'm with Kate, Bush NEVER wanted a war but i'm proud of him for making a VERY HARD decision which included protecting the lifes of ungrateful people, such as you are acting. Has it ever occured to you the good to come out of the war. Its all being masked by the not so good but believe me, there IS positive to it. Saddam is in OUR hands, Iraqis are free (my DH can give you a whole speech on how grateful the Iraqis were of them so I dont want to hear the BS that the news shares), the country is slowly (and i'll agree, extremely slow) being put back together, we've captured 75% of the Al Quada leaders or followers that were a major threat to the US, and although we havnt caught Bin Laden, it doesnt look like he has many men left to protect him or to help him in another 9-11 like attack. And all that is thanks to Bush starting the war and people like my DH, Amys DH, Crystals ex-DH and other brave men doing such an excellent job overseas.

And its kind of ironic that the people who arent being sent over to Iraq are the ones complaining about the war, where as the troops who were there or are currently there now, although they would love to be home, know they have a job to do. And from my personal experience and from the people i've talked to on base and from the military based message board I go on i'd give a rough number that about 90% of those men and their wives COMPLETELY support Bush and will vote for him in November. So, it seems to me that people like you are only trying to protect the troops from something they really dont need protecting from.

JMO, and a very honest one at that. :)

By Sunny on Sunday, October 3, 2004 - 11:53 am:

Thanks for the link, Claire. :)

By Claire on Sunday, October 3, 2004 - 01:28 pm:

Just for the record I have a nephew in Iraq and to tell you the truth Boxzgrl you seem to be following the party line rather closely - have you read any Internationl press or done any research of your own???

By Boxzgrl on Sunday, October 3, 2004 - 03:32 pm:

You think the press is always accurate? You know how the American press over exaggerates, lies and stretches the truth just to earn popularity. Do you not think the International press does the same thing? To me, my husbands PERSONAL been there done that, saw it with his own eyes story is more accurate than anything. The stories of every soldier I talk to from the Army, Marines, Navy and Air Force seems to have a more accurate truth than any press. And how would you expect me to have my own research that I would actually BELIEVE? The internet isn't that reliable, I actually trust it less than I do press releases. So, unless I go to Iraq myself, NO I don't have my OWN research. My DH is close enough. And every guy that has been to Iraq seems to have a story almost exact as my Dh's.. the only difference between their stories are the fact that they were in different parts of Iraq so some things that happened were different. Where as the press has a different story everyday, their stories change as much as Kerrys mind does.

Maybe next time you talk to your nephew you should ask him how the Iraqis are over there. I'll guarantee he'll tell you how happy they are out of the control of Saddam.

By Colette on Sunday, October 3, 2004 - 04:38 pm:

This is getting a little nasty don't you think? Bush supporters are not going to change die hard Kerry supporters and vice-versa. I think we need to remember an open minded debate should respect everyones opinion. Even if it differs from your own.

By Claire on Sunday, October 3, 2004 - 04:40 pm:

I think that you need to read a variety of news sources and I think you need to educate YOURSELF before you cast YOUR vote.

I really don’t think you are seeing the bigger picture here and it would be in your best interest to become more educated on the issues on your own than to depend on others to form your opinions for you.

By Boxzgrl on Sunday, October 3, 2004 - 04:42 pm:

I don't care who votes for who, thats what America is all about. I'm just sick of the war bashing, it's yesterdays news and needs to be let go of. I take it personally because it was MY DH out fighting for people who could give a rats butt about him protecting their lives. There, i'm done!

This thread is over for me! :)
Have a nice day! :) :) :) :) :)

By Mommyathome on Sunday, October 3, 2004 - 06:18 pm:

It's not yesterdays news, Melissa. It's in the headlines now, due to the election next month. It's a very important part at that.
And, I know plenty of military personnel that will be voting for Kerry. 3 of them live on my street alone.
I think we all need to remember to be mature here.
And, just a friendly reminder, I believe the moderators have asked us nicely not to use symbols to represent certain words. :)

By Karen~moderator on Sunday, October 3, 2004 - 07:26 pm:

OK Ladies, let's all play nice.

Robin, you're right, and thank you.

Melissa, you started this thread, and it IS the Debate Board, so you have to expect to get opinions other than your own whether you like them or not, and not be offended by them.

We all know that politics is one of the hottest topics around, no matter when it is discussed, and being that the election is practically right around the corner and there is a war front and center in the news, opinions are bound to be extremely strong on EACH side of the issues.

I'd like to see us all be able to voice our opinions here without it getting nasty, so I'm going to leave this thread up for now. But if the heat picks up, I'm going to remove it.

By Theresa_Momma on Monday, October 4, 2004 - 12:17 am:

I just want to throw my two cents in.
Melissa, just because I do not support or do not agree with the war, doesn't mean I don't support our troops. I am twenty two year old and have two very close friends that just got home from Iraq. I support and applaud them! I support and applaud your dh, but that doesn't mean I like the situation we as a united front are in. I just wanted to say that us ladies(and guys) here are all friends and we care very much about what you have to say, but we are all going to have our own opinions. My two friends(one Army, one Marines) agree with what your husband says, the Iraqis are greatful, but I know for a fact they are both Kerry fans.

I don't think your facts are totally right. You said that Bush has caught seventy five percent of Al Qaeda, I got this from fact check;

The President said twice that "75 percent" of al Qaeda leaders have been "brought to justice." But as The Associated Press reported Oct. 1, Bush was referring to the deaths or arrests of 75 percent of bin Laden's network at the time of the September 11 attacks -- not those who are running the terrorist organization today. The AP also reported that the CIA said earlier in the year two-thirds of those leaders are gone; at his acceptance speech in September, Bush increased his count to three-fourths based on unreleased intelligence data.

Furthermore, the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies reported May 25 that the occupation of Iraq has helped al Qaeda recruit more members. The institute quoted "conservative" intelligence estimates as saying that al Qaeda has 18,000 potential operatives and is present in more than 60 countries.
JMHO
Theresa :)

By Feona on Monday, October 4, 2004 - 08:09 am:

Bush

He has something to finish in iraq. So let him finish it.

By Palmbchprincess on Monday, October 4, 2004 - 09:46 am:

I'm against the occupation of Iraq. We are no longer "at war". The end of combat was declared. We need to leave Iraq. I am not saying abandon these people, but we are still not preparing them to hold their own. As for the soldiers, I've met many soldiers who went over to Iraq, and did what they were asked, but don't support the decision. I've heard stories of Iraqis who hate us. My ex husband repeatedly told me "They don't want us here, they hate us." Some are grateful, and some aren't. However, has anyone noticed we are basing the majority of our presidential election on a foreign country?? Iraq is a big issue, but bigger issues in my book are the American issues. Schools, economy, outsourcing, health care. We need to take care of our own. We cannot help the world until we help ourselves.

By Andi on Monday, October 4, 2004 - 10:17 am:

Crystal...I totally agree with what you just posted!

By Mommyathome on Monday, October 4, 2004 - 10:50 am:

Well said, Crystal.

By Bellajoe on Monday, October 4, 2004 - 04:21 pm:

I agree with what you just said Crystal...

I'm not sure who I will vote for. I am leaning towards Bush, im not sure why to be honest with you. For some reason i just don't trust Kerry.

Bush totally needs to take some public speaking classes though :) Kerry does seem more "presidential", but like i said...i am still undecided.

I don't feel like i can believe a word either of them says.

By Tink on Monday, October 4, 2004 - 11:41 pm:

Thank you, Crys! IMHO, there are issues here in our own country that are going to affect our children's lives more than the war in Iraq. Yes, I am against but I fully support our troops following the orders given to them. I just disagree with the orders given by the "head honchos" of our country. I find it very sad that so many people are voting for what they view as the lesser of two evils rather than have a candidate that they can really support and trust.

By Jujubee on Tuesday, October 5, 2004 - 02:06 pm:

Another video clip....totally unrelated, but I love the song and thought some moms here might like it as well.

And... I'll vote for Bush.

Go here and click on view Letters from War video.

By Mommmie on Tuesday, October 5, 2004 - 05:17 pm:

KERRY!

By Cocoabutter on Wednesday, October 6, 2004 - 07:07 am:

I'll vote for Bush (I think I already posted that once!)

I just opened an email and got this link about Bush- it's SO COOL and it shows the real character of this man who is our president.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/jogging.asp

By Christylee on Wednesday, October 6, 2004 - 11:44 pm:

Bush all the way.

By Momoffour on Thursday, October 7, 2004 - 10:43 am:

Bush here.

By Trisa on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 03:22 pm:

Bush for me!

By Dana on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 04:11 pm:

Undecided until recently. Kerry will get my vote.

By Ladypeacek on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 12:34 am:

BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH.....and Melissa...you are right when you said that most military supports bush. My dh went and returned and would go back again if he was called to as would all the guys that went with him.

By Ladypeacek on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 12:39 am:

And i just want to add that the these opinions of what is going on over there are so far off because of the reporters over there are only catching what they want to show...they dont show any of the good things...who wants to see that? They only show the bad so we only see the bad unless you have been there. It isnt true that they all hate us or even that most do. We are doing alot of god over there....so many that wouldnt eat or get medical attention without us. And whether you agree with the war or not the fact is that it started and we are there and Bush needs to finish it..Kerry will pull us out and that would be sooo bad for us right now

By Bea on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 02:52 am:

Doctor Seuss type poem
Please Vote


The Whos down in Whoville liked people a lot,
But the Grinch in the White House most certainly did not.
He didn't arrive there by the will of the Whos,
But stole the election that he really did lose.

Vowed to "rule from the middle," then installed his regime.
(Did this really happen, or is it just a bad dream?)
He didn't listen to voters, just his friends he was pleasin'
Now, please don't ask why, who knows what's the reason.

It could be his heart wasn't working just right.
It could be, perhaps, that he wasn't too bright.
But I think that the most likely reason of all,
Is that both brain and heart were two sizes too small.

In times of great turmoil, this was bad news,
To have a government that ignores its Whos.
But the Whos shrugged their shoulders, went on with their work,
Their duties as citizens so casually did shirk.

They shopped at the mall and watched their T.V.
They drove a gas guzzling big S.U.V.,
Oblivious to what was going on in D.C.,
Ignoring the threats to democracy.

They read the same papers that ran the same leads,
Reporting what only served corporate needs.
(For the policies affecting the lives of all nations
Were made by the giant U.S. Corporations.)

Big business grew fatter, fed by its own greed,
And by people who shopped for the things they didn't need.
But amidst all the apathy came signs of unrest,
The Whos came to see we were fouling our nest.

And the people who cared for the ideals of this nation
Began to discuss and exchange information:
The things they couldn't read, in the corporate-owned news,
Of FTAA meetings and CIA coups,

Of drilling for oil and restricting rights.
They published some books, created Websites,
Began to write letters, and use their e-mail
(Though Homeland Security might send them to jail!)

What began as a whisper soon grew to a roar,
These things going on they could no longer ignore.
They started to rise up and reach out to all
Let their voices be heard, they rose to the call,

To vote, to petition, to gather, dissent,
To question the policies of the "President."
As greed gained in power and power knew no shame
The Whos came together, sang "Not in our name!"

One by one from their sleep and their slumber they woke
The old and the young, all kinds of folk,
The black, brown and white, the gay, bi-and straight,
All united to sing, "Feed our hope, not our hate!

Stop stockpiling weapons and aiming for war!
Stop feeding the rich, start feeding the poor!
Stop storming the deserts to fuel SUV's!
Stop telling us lies on the mainstream T.V.'s!

Stop treating our children as a market to sack!
Stop feeding them Barney, Barbie and Big Mac!
Stop trying to addict them to lifelong consuming,
In a time when severe global warming is looming!

Stop sanctions that are killing the kids in Iraq!
Start dealing with ours that are strung out on crack!"
A mighty sound started to rise and to grow,
"The old way of thinking simply must go!

Enough of God versus Allah, Muslim vs. Jew
With what lies ahead, it simply won't do.
No American dream that cares only for wealth
Ignoring the need for community health

The rivers and forests are demanding their pay,
If we're to survive, we must walk a new way.
No more excessive and mindless consumption
Let's sharpen our minds and garner our gumption.

For the ideas are simple, but the practice is hard,
And not to be won by a poem on a card.
It needs the ideas and the acts of each Who,
So let's get together and plan what to do!"

And so they all gathered from all 'round the Earth
And from it all came a miraculous birth.
The hearts and the minds of the Whos they did grow,
Three sizes to fit what they felt and they know.

While the Grinches they shrank from their hate and their greed,
Bearing the weight of their every foul deed.
From that day onward the standard of wealth,
Was whatever fed the Whos spiritual health.

They gathered together to revel and feast,
And thanked all who worked to conquer their beast.
For although our story pits Grinches 'gainst Whos,
The true battle lies in what we daily choose.

For inside each Grinch is a tiny small Who,
And inside each Who is a tiny Grinch too.
One thrives on love and one thrives on greed.
Who will win out? It depends who you feed!

Annon

By Kaye on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 09:51 am:

Bea's poem was interesting, I find it interesting that although it slams bush it also slams the media, which if you follow at all you know are never are on the same side (except fox).

By Tink on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 12:29 pm:

I think the point of Bea's poem is more the ignorance and poor choices made by the American public. If all of us chose to raise our voices and look at the bad decisions that we, as a culture, are making, we could make the changes that would be affecting our lives, rather than be victims of the "Grinches" and Big Business.

By Bea on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 01:35 pm:

I think it should be titled APATHY. I agree with you Cori.

By Kate on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 02:14 pm:

Please, Bush did NOT steal the election. He did not LOSE the election. He won fairly and squarely. It's not his fault it was close, it's not his fault Florida had problems. The fact is he won and Gore lost. What would you have had him do?? Say even though he won, he was giving it up to Gore? He didn't invent the electoral college and he's not the first president to win the college and lose the popular vote. He won it and he's served the term he won. He's had it rough with the way the election went and so many people against him even though, let's say it again, HE WON, and then he gets slammed with 911, which no other president has had to deal with. He's done his best and if you don't like him, vote Kerry. But don't say he stole or lost the election.

By Bea on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 05:42 pm:

I will say he stole it, because I believe he did. You are entitled to your opinion. I will not tell you what to believe or say. I would appreciate the same consideration.

By Palmbchprincess on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 10:06 pm:

Kate, no other president had to deal with 9/11, but there was Pearl Harbor. While not of the same magnitude, it was devestating. I voted in the infamous Palm Beach County election, I don't think Bush won, but because of the errors in counting he held the office. I'm voting against him again this year. BTW, I didn't vote for Gore either, I think he is a moron.

By Ginny~moderator on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 07:06 am:

Stole it or not stole it - the Supreme Court ruled and that is the law of the land. Bush was, according to the Supreme Court, elected President. Personally, I don't want to second-guess the Court.

Personally, I think Bush is a terrible president and I do think personal politics had something to do with the way the justices ruled, but unless you want to amend the Constitution to make the Supreme Court NOT the final arbiter in legal matters, he is legally the President of the United States. And I don't see any value in rehashing this debate.

By Kaye on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 07:42 am:

Even Gore said "this is MY president". It is a shame that the election went like it did, for all parties! The other thing that I find interesting is we had 8 years of democrats in office and aren't they who appoint the judges? I think I woudl have felt a lot different if the incumbent won by the same measures. Although I do know that judges aren't appointed regularly and maybe clinton didn't pick any. But again, whether or not Bush really had the vote count or not, he is president, and HE had nothing to do with that, He didn't make the people in florida have issues.

By Mara on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 09:49 am:

I'm voting Kerry.


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