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Terri is with the Lord

Moms View Message Board: The Kitchen Table (Debating Board): Terri is with the Lord
By Katiesmommy on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 10:35 am:

She passed a few minutes ago. Michael denied parents to be there as she passed!!!!! I am glad she is in the Lord's hands..but God help Michael Schiavo.

By Andi on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 10:52 am:

I am so sad about this whole thing! What kind of man won't let his wife's family be there with her when she dies? The least he could do, now that she has passed, is walk away and let the family have her body and be done with it..but he won't even do that.

So sad.:(

By Boxzgrl on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 11:24 am:

:( Very sad situation. I'm praying for her parents.

By Kathy on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 11:28 am:

May Terri rest in peace.

By Reds9298 on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 07:46 pm:

I personally was one who felt that the removal of the tube was best, but I agree with Andi totally - I just can't BELIEVE he wouldn't let the parents be there at her passing. Cruel IMO. Her parents need lots of prayers and may she rest in peace.

By Annie2 on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 08:51 pm:

Her parents were not denied access to Terri in her final moments; they were at home. Her mom hadn't seen her since Easter Sunday.

By Marcia on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 10:24 pm:

It was her siblings who were there and asked to leave.

By Bea on Friday, April 1, 2005 - 04:42 pm:

May God have mercy on her murderers.

By Colette on Friday, April 1, 2005 - 06:28 pm:

I think it is absolutely appalling that the parents were not there.

By Katiesmommy on Friday, April 1, 2005 - 07:30 pm:

I think its even worse that now she is in Heaven, the husband is cremating her and putting her in an "undisclosed location" in Penn. for the burial. He wants to keep the parent's from a "media circus" during the burial. SO...not only do they not get to bury Terri's body, but she won't even be close to them AND they don't know where it will be until after the fact. I found it odd when Michael was asked about arrangements, his spokesperson said he "hadn't thought that far along yet"...OK, he's had YEARS to figure this out...to me, his actions after the fact are even worse!!!

By Momoffour on Friday, April 1, 2005 - 09:57 pm:

It shouldnt matter where she is put to rest. there is nothing there her spirit is in heaven. if her parents need a place to go to talk to her dont go to a grave go someplace that made Terri happy or some place they went as a family that really stood out in there minds that was the most special day. She can hear them anywhere they are at. it don't have to be at a Grave. just my opinion I am sorry she is gone but she is in a better place and she is normal no more worries for her.

By Breann on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 - 05:19 pm:

The news said that her remains would be buried in his family plot. And, he is not letting her family attend the funeral/graveside service.

He (her "husband")is such a punk. I would just like to slap his face. This isn't even in reference to the fact that he starved her to death. This is a whole other issue.

By Unschoolmom on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 - 05:44 pm:

I don't find it surprising or awful. This whole affair has been escalated into a media circus and there's been a lot of character assasination on the part of the supporter's of Terri's parents. I can get that he may really want to keep it a quiet and dignified affair and have no confidence that that will happen should the parents attend and also I can completely understand (though not agree) if he's just filled up with anger at the parents and doesn't want to see them again.

Considering the mud that's been tossed at him I'm really surprised at how he's managed to keep away from the tactics many of Terri's 'supporters' seemed eager to engage in. Too bad it's gone this far but it's hardly surprising at all considering the rift that's formed.

By Emily7 on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 - 07:05 pm:

I actually believe that he has to inform her family of when & where she will be buried. I believe I heard on the news that it was court ordered.

By Bobbie~moderatr on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 - 09:43 pm:

Terri Schiavo, facts

By Kaye on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 - 10:15 pm:

That is a good website. I found it to be a little biased, but does show the other side well.

By biased things like it points out all the bad things the schindlers did, and they did more than their share, but it did not get into the blame placing when it was the other way. For example the last rites were said, He denied her the bread, the quote says "they were unable to give her the bread".

Someone stated best my opinion on the the other post, I think the hubby should have been able to make the decision, but i think it is barbaric that removing the feeding tube is legal.

By Ginny~moderator on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 - 06:30 am:

I read a quote from the priest who administered the last rites, saying that her mouth was too dry to take the bread.

For reasons unknown to anyone except the Florida legislature, that legislature considers a feeding tube to be "life support", along with ventilators and similar devices. Some other states are very specific that feeding tubes and IV hydration are not "life support" in that meaning, Pennsylvania being one.

I read a columnist recently who said that she didn't think the "living will" and health care directive are sufficient, and that she was writing scenarios, such as - if I am aware of my family members when they speak to me, keep me alive; if I am not, remove all tubes and machines and let me die. I think there is a certain amount of sense to that.

I am certain we are going to see federal legislation about this issue fairly soon, and would not be surprised if a number of states visit or revisit this issue. Which makes it even more important to have your paperwork in order and talk to your family and other loved ones, preferably with "disinterested" witnesses as part of the conversation group.

By Kaye on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 - 11:45 am:

Interesting Ginny. I know that most catholics "dip" the bread. So I would have thought that would have been an option. But maybe they still would have needed to "wet" her mouth. Maybe that is what he declined. I also thought I heard they did keep her lips moist, etc. I know when my mom was dying we had those swabs which weren't really hydration, but comfort measures. Hmmm I don't know.

I think the postive thing is this has really brought a lot of important info to light. It is also hard to really know how you will feel in that situation. It is easy to look from the outside and think, oh i wouldn't want to live that way, but sometimes things happen and you really need it spelled out and talked out. I do have a living will, I have told many people of my requests. I also have a durable power of atty for my dad's medial stuff. With his wife knowing that my choice for him and his blessing is that we will do whatever it takes to keep him alive, no matter what. They just married, so we talked this out at length because after two mothers dying we have seen some crazy stuff!

By Ginny~moderator on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 - 06:38 pm:

I also read, I believe in the link Bobbie posted, that full communion was administered through the feeding tube before it was removed.

By John on Thursday, April 7, 2005 - 04:22 pm:

It's also interesting to read all the disputes about the content of this article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Terri_Schiavo

I'm not sure if all of you are familiar with wikipedia. They allow anyone to change or edit the content! (Just click the "edit" button next to each paragraph!)
Apparently one of the users has been continuously removing points of view that differed from their own... Wow...isn't the Internet great!

By Cocoabutter on Thursday, May 5, 2005 - 01:18 am:

I made it through the entire Terri Schiavo drama without crying. Don't get me wrong, I got plenty disgusted and took it out on my housework as I listened to the news. But I realize that I can't let it affect my daily life to the point that I can't focus on my responsibilities, as much as I would have liked to have gone down to Florida to protest (which is better than doing nothing).

Anyway, I lost it tonight. I watched a rerun of Highway to Heaven on TV Land. I missed the first 15 min. But it started out with a mom and her two grown sons, George, 35, and Paul, a couple of years younger, I think. George had been born with a birth defect that left him totally incapacitated. He couldn't talk and couldn't move. He could drink, so his mom pureed everything and fed it to him thru a straw.

Their dad had died. Paul had helped take care of his brother his entire life, but he was now making plans to move out and start his life with his girlfriend. He didn't want to leave his mom to take care of George all alone, so he urged her to put him in a facility. But mom would have no part of it. She wouldn't have strangers taking care of her son. They didn't understand him like she did. She could tell what he was thinking and how he was feeling by the look in his eyes. She knew he understood what was happening around him, she knew he was alive inside.

But Paul didn't believe it. He didn't think his vegetable brother could think or hear. He was just this thing, like a replica of a human being, that they had been taking care of like a house plant, and they never realized they could communicate with him until...

He called Jonathan, Michael Landon's character, posing as a therapist who would assess George's condition. Together with Mark, Victor French's character, posing as a technician, they tested George and found that he could communicate by blinking his eyes, and that he had the ability to move two of his fingers. He could also read, b/c when Paul was little he would come home from school and share his lessons with George, and mom read to him every day. So, with those two fingers, they set him up with a computer and a motorized wheelchair. His first words on his computer were, "You're right, mom, turkey and gravy are my favorite!" and then to his brother, he said, "I love you."


If only Terri were given that chance...


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